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4. Range
the defender has 5 sight. What happens, if...
A) prey is on tile 5, Offender O on 6?
Nothing at first. It didn't notice.
Then I had O2 hit the bear. Instead of pursuing O2, it then went after O1! What the heck?!?
B) prey on tile 6, O1 on 5.
It... went after O2. Okay. Let's let him land a hit. Or not...? It didn't attack. Huh
I'm putting O1 in its range now. No attack. Good.
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Red, White and Orange will now be offenders. Will it now show a preference fur fur colour?
R+ O attacked once, W hunted 2x prey. It went after W.
Red hunted x1, white fled, O did nothing. D1 went after White.
O+R hit D1. White fled. D1 went after White. Lets have him hit white to reset his hit streak of 2.
Orange hunted x1. R + W attacked x1. D1 pursued Orange.
Red hunted, W + O attacked. It went after red!
the defender has no preference for fur colour and deems hunting more offense then attacking it!
3. Red is now farther away than the attackers. No matter. Its locked on her.
Closer yet:
Nope. Still went after red.
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I'll surround one for further tests.
2 toxic, 1 white, 1 yellow, one high camouflage. Orange saberteeth will hit and fly out of rage, or stay within.
Let's have him stay: D1 just attacks the offender. M'kay.
When removing Orange: first attack: no one? Second: no one again? Still no one!
I've tried removing the offender from its sight range and keeping it in. This has no effect. Will D1 only attack when movement is possible?
I've killed stuff around it. It doesn't attack!
Movement is now open again. So what? It just pursued Orange after his attacks. So I had Red hit him. This resulted in one swipe at orange and onr movement toward Red. After multiple attempts, this stayed consistent. The defender remembers multiple targets
So let's surround him with the innocent, while both offenders scatter out of range. His movement is unrestricted
And... he just goes after Orange. I'll need to move the offenders out of range.
He attacked white over yellow. And... I messed up and killed D1. Oh, well.
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Defenders: (summary will follow here)
Test 1: Distasteful traits
- no effect, unless...
A) The offender is out of range. In this case, it will hit no one with distasteful traits nearby. A normal nicheling within range will be attacked, though. Or not, they're hellishly inconsistent. But no distasteful nicheling was chosen here.
2: attractive fur colours
Seemingly doesn't care.
3: distractions
the defender perceives hunting as more offense than hitting it. Use this to kite and kill it!
Defenders avoid babies! Unless you have the bug that makes them target children, building a nest granted Red here unlimited free attacks without retaliation.
4. Range
Offender on tile 6, prey on 5 (max range of vision) = attack
offender on tile 5, prey on 6 = peaceful defender
5. Memory
-- max attack count =3. Attacked bear 3 times, 3 swipes in relation.
-- one other entity attacked = one swipe
-- most defenders remembered at least two offenders. The last always had one target take the punishment for all after using the nest exploit.
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Some pretty basic aspects. Still, I'll need to work my way up. Spawning them in on Crossing would work best.
1) Distaseful traits
Do they hit back with distasteful appearance?
Ouch.
Can you growl at them? No.
Interesting to note: after it killed her mother for striking it, it still hit the daughter
I guess they land multiple attacks in retaliation. If one doesn't hit, as the nicheling is dead, it will pursue another. I can't count them here as the attack modifier is too high. Restart.
On the next attempt, he did not get vengeance on a second nicheling. I'll try to messure if prior attacks had an effect on this. Yup. Three attacks = three swipes from the bear.
Who gets hit? The last nicheling to attack.
Having two defenders will at times result in one swipe from the unattacked defender. Sometimes
D2 picked a victim seemingly at random. Let's get some tests.
A) attacked same nicheling that hit the other defender. This nicheling was within moving distance (2 tiles)
B) next nicheling will be outside movement range. Random attack?
Let's dive into B. Do distasteful traits have an effect on who is chosen?
D2 was surrounded by toxic and saberteeth. Instead of attacking, he moved two tiles into the direction of the offending nicheling -- or perhaps another helpless target, peacock guy.
Again: he moved away! Try 3: same results! Distasteful traits do work, then. Somewhat... he pursues the offender instead, directly.
2. So let's work with case B again.
White nichelings are usually preferred. What do defenders think?
Wait: orange guy is strong enough to do damage. He landed one attack and it attacked someone else! Three swipes from orange, three from the bear, though. The plot thickens.
Tried this 6 more times. This time, they just went both after orange! These bears really can't be consistent.
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The only real way is to test your results. Sometimes you're right first try, but on my phone things can get messy, so there's console commands. Open someone's mutation menu, compare and add the genes. You'll get a feeling for it at some point.
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2. Thousand. Angry. Renios. Posting. Bad. Lyrics.
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I'll run some tests on defenders or apes, if something useful comes up. No ideas on what to test. So for today:
3) inheritance of mutations
Summary: the old system still applies
Test 1: in older versions, mating with a male, then consoling his genes, would not work. He passes on what he has at the time of mating, including empty mutation slots.
Since the console is now bug free, does this still hold true?
The set up. Full wings:
The males receive runner leg after mating + mutate lean body.
- no lean body on sons with red gem. The next batch of children all had lean body, as at the time of mating a mutation was assigned. No one inherited runner leg.
Conclusion: the console issue still applies.
Further tests required on mutation slots. 2 could well be a fluke.
Let's try this on females before restarting:
Two running legs.
Trial 2:
The females receive hammer tail, males lean body in their slots.
No lean body, one hammer tail.
Trial 3:
No ram horns from males, one hammer tail
Conclusion: the old system still applies
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On 3/15/2019 at 3:46 AM, Kattails said:
Well I feel dumb... Cuz all of my let's plays and personal games are like this.... ☠️RIP me
Don't. I really just noticed because in an old version, if you changed the male's genes with console only after mating, the original ones would still be passed on. Then some experiments followed. Not sure if that holds true anymore, will run some tests today.
Edit: nothing changed. Same results.
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23 would at least be a milestone.
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I'm not sure if it's relevant, but maybe you need to be in story mode to get it? That solved it for me, but it might just be a conincidence
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So. On to the misteries.
6. Why do they swipe babies?
7. Do they like to swipe isolated nichelings, weak nicheling, or the like?