[food types]

I like it. Milk can be produced once from each female who is 'caring for her child'. 

Anyway the catagories could be:

Berries

Meat

Poison berries

Fish

Nuts

Other fruit (from stinky fruit trees and meat-eating plants)

Milk

Roots

We might even have dried fruits and meats or some sort of decay system. 

 

[Regrowing for lots of things]

10 hours ago, Bad fawn said:

Well I can't really see rocks just appearing out of nowhere

There would need to be a short 'growing' phase for them as they either emerge from the ground or break out of a cliff. 

[Regrowing for lots of things]

This ties into my previsous suggestion about replacing grass with regrowing grass if you ban grass in world settings. But, it's different enough to have its own page. 

So, I have always found that new islands are a lot more fun simply because they haven't been cleared out. So this will keep islands fresh in order to stop them getting, well, boring.

Firstly, berry bushes/man eating plants. 

This would be true for all berry bushes. I have two ideas:

1. When a berry bush is destroyed, a new one grows within a tile of the last one instead of right where the old one was or the toxic berry bushes just being destoryed.

Or 2: (more complicated) Every time a nicheling gathers from a berry bush, they get a (very low, think 2% chance) to plant a seed where they end their day three days later (somesort of status-based effect). If they destroy the bush, they get it automatically.

 

Secondly, boulders:

Everytime a boulder is destroyed a new one will emerge on an unoccupied tile. This would be a slow process, taking around 30-50 days. 

 

Third: Oak/palm/stinky fruit trees

This would be the same as my second idea for berry bushes but be MUCH lower. Add to that, after a tree lives about... I don't know, 500-1000 days? It will die. Saplings would have a high chance of dying before becoming trees and would grow for 50-100 days. 

 

Fourth: Other trees

Trees that are too close together will die or die if they reach 500-1000 days, every time one of these trees dies three saplings will grow with a 50% chance to make it to a tree if no trees are within a certain range.

Note: There should be a setting enabling/disabling if an object can regrow.

And that's it. Please tell me what needs to change.   

[Nicheling Selection Box]

You could even have a fainter outline around creatures whose action points aren't used up.

[Climbing claws]

How would they be unlocked?

[A Mated "marriage" Nichling]

It'd be easier if there was just a way to connect them in the family tree, that way you could keep track of it. 

[Ocean islands!]

What if there was a rare chance for an island to have some kind of current or floating 'raft' that you have to swim to? You would board the current/raft and that would transport you to an all ocean area? Perhaps a underwater island would be better than going super deep to the midnight level of the ocean. 

We'd need more stuff for it though, and a few different types of 'islands'. 

[Gene Improvement: Toxic body, short snout, gills, saber fangs and horns]

On 11/10/2019 at 11:27 AM, catsagainstdeterminism said:

Toxic appearance has worked on bearyenas for me, given they're not hungry. Rogues also have a bar that changes their tactics a bit when full. I guess Toxic Body could smell bad to the smelling ape, or at least be seriously scentless in the jungle. Not much to do with hearing.

If -- then or +chance to suggestions are generally not implemented, but I don't know what the issue is with that. I'm still eternally confused why toxic body has no heat resistance. It seems like such a given. Or actual platypus "smelling" tactics. Short snout has been risen from the grave to be adorable and useless, though. 

Hmm, might be a bug then for me but bearenas go for toxic-bodied nichelings before medium bodied for me. I'll test it later. Rouges don't really need to be effected by toxic body but'd it be useful if they were. I suppose that making toxic body more poisonous would work too, as long as it effected bluebirds.

 

3 hours ago, Skysplash8 said:

The only thing I don't agree with is less speed for the smaller horns.

I have that just to balance out the genes a bit. Since otherwise no-horns would be the worst when in real life, very few animals actually have horns. Of those that do, they all have some way to support the horns. 

The problem with my method is that a double clawed creature would have enough strength to have horns even though the claws wouldn't help support the horns. But, I don't want to limit diversity of the nichlings by saying that creatures with this can't have horns.  I also don't want to limit flying with the smaller horns. 

A better solution might be to give a bonus to no-horns but it'd have to make sense and be balanced. For instance, +1 speed, swimming and flying would be over powered.  

So the smaller horns could also be given requirments to use their strength. Like ram horns could be used only when 'ramming' or antlers could only be used against other nichelings but that would take a lot of work to implement and would be annoying.  

One idea is to give some horn genes different seasons like deer have in real life. That's been suggested before, I'll see if I can find the link. But that wouldn't work for all the horn genes. 

Nor do I want to just give the genes always +1 strength and -1 speed because that would make hunting rabbits all that much harder and fighters all that much slower. 

And yet another option is just to get rid of no-horns and replace it with manes, crests, ear tufts, and so on. 

 

[Replacing Grass With Regrowing Grass]

This is pretty straight forward. When you ban grass through sandbox settings it should be replaced with regrowing grass unless regrowing grass is also banned. Also when you ban regrowing grass it should be replaced with non-regrowing grass.

[Fluffy ears]

 Personally I think upright would make more sense all things considered. Here is my alterations on the stats:

+2 cold resistance

-1 heat resistance

+3 hearing

 

 

[Wild Pregnant Female Nichelings Seek out Nests]

In case you have the pregnancy duration set to a higher number it should be once the female has less than 3 days remaining. Otherwise, great idea!

[Gene Improvement: Toxic body, short snout, gills, saber fangs and horns]

To start with, toxic body:

Toxic body isn't very helpful on the hard/killer islands. It doesn't have any heat/cold ressistence which makes it difficult on the snowy mountains, savannah and jungle. I understand no cold resistence but no heat resistence doesn't make sense. On top of this, the repelling predators isn't the most effective.

So, better stats would be:

+2 (or more) poisonous 

+1 distasteful appearance

+2 heat resistance 

And immunity to bluebirds plus a better job of discouraging (or doing more poisoning to) bearenas and apes. 

 

And now short snout. 

It is one of the worst head gene as it only adds +2 smelling. As it is based on rodents (who you don't want to be bit by) better stats would be:

+2 smelling

+1 strength OR +2 of a higher chance to do bleeding when attacking a predator (slashing or something?). (~30% chance every time they attack successfully. I think this would be useful down the line too.)

 

Gills:

Gived a choice between water body and gills, water body would be a better choice for underwater breathing since it gives swimming. So I think gills should give:

+2 underwater breathing

+1 swimming

 

Saber fangs:

The only problem with saber fangs is that its stats are the same as bearena snout so what if it gave:

+2 strength

+1 distasteful appearence

+2 smelling

+1 of that higher chance to do bleeding to predators

 

Horns:

Well, there is an imbalance here. Megahorns are better than ram horns, antlers and savannah horns and no horns is by far the worst. I understand that megahorns is hard to get but it still should be balanced with the other genes. 

So Megahorns:

+2 strength

- 2-4 flying

Either incompatible with the weaker body genes OR -2 speed if the creature has less than (or equal to) 3 strength and -1 speed if the creature has less than (or equal to) 6 strength. Since you need to be strong to support such a weight. 

And ram horns, savannah horns and antlers:

+1 strength

Either incompatible with the weaker body genes or -2 speed if the creature has less than (or equal to) 2 strength and -1 speed if the creature has less than (or equal to) 4 strength. 

[New type of hindlegs]

17 hours ago, Zixvir said:

-0 strength  means no damage dealt

Oh, okay.

[Niche Scruff carrying]

What about this:

Some head types give the option of 'carrying'. Not all of them, but the ones that would make sense. For example, beak wouldn't but purr snout would. 

It costs one action point to pick up a baby/child. You can set them down on a free tile next to you for one action point. While carrying the child you have:

-2 speed (min 1)

-2 swimming (min 1)

-3 flying

And any strength, collecting, cracking, distasteful appearance and so on you get from your head and paw genes would be rendered useless. You'd still have purring or cold resistance.  

The child has:
Warmed up by pack

+1 defense

And can be carried around

Bluebirds won't attack but other predators can still kill the child. 

[New type of hindlegs]

9 hours ago, Zixvir said:

are you a good drawer? maybe you could draw it!

there should be the 1 base speed and the -0 strength but 3 added speed and -3 strength when a predator is near.

I'm not a great drawer.

 The reason I had a base of 2 speed is just because they should be as fast as normal hindlegs. The only problem of having a base of -0 strength is that they are built to be for runners and not fighters.

I like the idea of having worse strength when a predator is near, sort of a flight vs fight response. 

They could also have +3 base speed, +1 swimming and -1 strength and then when a predator is near +2 extra speed and an additional -2 strength?

[A mix of lots of challenges]

Set up:

Age 9/15/36/100

Damage 100/60/60

Healing 90

Starter nichelings should be fine

Blind genes adds some challenge

Normal food and nesting material

Don't ban anything

 

Rules:

Every nicheling starts at the lowest rank

Each family has its own way of increasing rank

Nicheling must get to a higher rank to have children, build nests, be the leader etc

Only six nichelings at a time may have mutations, they cannot join an existing unit but can make their own. Only one per unit (eye colour, horn colour, pattern colour, pattern shape/size/density don't count.)

Always travel to the north or towards snow, grassland or whale island. From whale island you may go anywhere

No more than three offspring from a single female 

Only nichelings who do not belong to a family may have a nest and their offspring cannot have a mutation

You cannot clear grass unless:

It is over a berry bush, regrowing grass, creature-eating plant, or part of a trail

Trails must:

 Be one-wide only

Only meet at intersections ( that have three trails that connect to one spot)

Intersections cannot be less than 6 tiles from eachother

Trails cannot be too close to each other

 

Family units:

Family units are between 3 and 18 nichelings or so. They each have a leader and one family (sort of the top family) has a tribe leader

Nichelings in different units cannot be mates

Nichelings who join a different unit cannot be the leader

Each family must have its own food source, defined territory and so on. 

The leader should have their own spot (like a tree stump)

All family units have their own traditions and beliefs

 

Optional goals:

Have every gene expressed

Unlock every gene

Complete all the leader's wishes (a new one comes with each leader) 

 

Other than that, have fun and good luck!

Also, here is a family/tribe leader generator. Give the tribe leader a family AND tribe goal: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/340383683/ 

[Ancient gene: clawed wings (based on archeopteryx)]

On 10/8/2019 at 10:23 AM, Fishyfishyfishy500 said:

I'm sorry for not giving a possible solution, I couldn't think of one

They could be more prehistoric than archeopteryx or more modern? 

[FEATHER GENES(along with other things)]

Here is my take on what might make better stats:

Feathered body: 

+2 flying with wings

-1 stealth

+1 cold resistance

Feather Crest

(is fine)

Clawed wings

+2 flying if genes are identical

+2 digging

Feathered tail 

(flying creatures don't really need to dodge so):

+1 flying

Bird talons

+2 swooping strength

+2 swooping fishing

+1 flying

(has to have +1 swimming so the creature can move)

-1 speed

-1 digging

-1 collecting

Pincer paw

+2 strength

+1 cracking

+1 defense

Chitinous legs

(is fine)

Queen tail:

(queen ants do fly)

-2 speed

-2 swimming

6 fertility (over rules fertility genes)

-100 days of pregnancy (min 1)

Ice body (perhaps give it a different name to cold/cooling body)

-2 cold resistance

+4 heat resistance

+2 cooling effect

Dexterous feet:

+1 collecting

+1 speed

+1 swimming

Hood:

(if it's a cobra hood it wouldn't add smelling, otherwise fine)

 

[New type of hindlegs]

I suppose, think of a rabbit or deer. 

Stats:

+3 Speed

+1 Swimming

-1 Strength (or set to 0)

+2 extra speed (untop of normal +2) and -2 additional strength when a predator (blue bird, bearena, ape, killer ape, defender bear, arctic ramfox, balance bear etc) is within 3 tiles (three tiles being a safe distance from most creatures).

This will be VERY useful when making a no-strength type tribe in the deadly hills or jungle, since you could sense if a creature was in danger of being eaten.

Child nichelings (the ones with 1 action point) might get +1 speed when a predator was near while teens+ would get the full bonus. 

[Not Really A Challenge]

So, this isn't really a challenge. It's just a way of have niche more exciting. You can add more rules if you want:

 

Family units:
Their own gem colour

3-12 nichelings (split them off when they get to 12)

1-6 permanent nests

A territory

Food sources

 

Family units have their own stories, legacies, traditions and beliefs. Give your nichelings last names if you want. The most notable unit will have a leader who gets to boss everyone around. Other family units also have a leader but only among themselves. 

Wandering nichelings (who belonged to units that stopped meeting the requirements or left on their own or are wanderers) can make their own unit or join one. If they join a unit, they don't get to be leader. 

Nichelings that belong to different units can't be mates. 

 

Rules:

Enemy, hunger, environment damage: 12, 18, 24, 30 or 36 

Healing: 12, 18, 24, 30 or 36

Ages:

Baby: 1-6

Child: 2-12

Teen: 3-18

Adult: 18-100

Pregnancy: 6-30

Blind genes

DON'T unlock all genes or ban anything (yes even defender bear)

Other than that, remember the family units. They will have their own cultures so try to keep them apart. One might be all about strength and fighting while another is focused on knowledge, teaching and instruction.

 

End Goal:

Every leader has a goal, in the end it's just to have the best story or longest legacy. Family trees are fun to make, and you can mark which family group they were a part of. 

 

Have fun!

[Multiplayer]

Perhaps each time you switch between the tribes it would be like a new day started? That way new rabbits would spawn, berries would regrow and rain could come. Except the niche lings wouldn't age or anything until after both tribes had gone.

Also, the tribe you aren't playing shouldn't be effected by rouge males, bluebirds etc while you aren't playing them. You can attack the other tribe, but can't mate with them or invite them to join your tribe.

[Nicheling Challenge: Max Attributes Extreme]

No. Not really in anycase. Mulan is a female warrior from history which is the name I gave my cat. 

[Nicheling Challenge: Max Attributes Extreme]

Goal: 

Max every attribute (collecting, cracking etc). Note that you do not need the creatures to be alive at the same time.

 

Rules:

You can't use mutations 

You MUST ban wanderers (not iceblocks or bearenas or rouge males)

Optionally: blind genes

And 4: Have fun!

 

Start up:
Have as many nichelings as you want and start at any island you want. 

Every starting nicheling must have:

And half of them, rounding up, must be sickly. No more than 3 imunity genes between them. 

[New Savannah Predator]

When you think about it, the Savannah doesn't really have all that much in terms of animals

The snow mountains have Ramfoxes, Balance Bears and walrus deer unique to them

The grasslands have Bearenas, Killer Bearenas and moles

The sea has Razorana and leeches and fish and clams 

The swamp has bugs

The jungle has apes, enough said

And the savannah has... bearenas who really don't belong in the savannah. I mean, they have thick fur and big body. If you try using those genes in the Savannah, your toast. As well as termites but those don't attack nichelings.

 

Here's what I'm thinking

A mix between a lion, cheetah and leopard.

They hang around trees (up to 5 steps away) and attack nichelings that get too close. They come in numbers: 1 (60% chance), 2 (10%), 3(10%), 4(10%), 5-9(10%)

They have:

4 Speed

1 or 2 attack

20-30 days of health

 

[Nichling Challenge: Every Gene]

Rules:

1. Nichlings will not breed with another Nicheling that shares a gene with them (list of exceptions below)

2. Nichelings can only have 3 children max (doesn't count the ones that die and twins count as 1)

3. Nichelings can only have 2 mates max

 

Exceptions to Rule 1:

Eyesight

Blood quality

Fertility

Ressesive genes

(note that nichelings may share up to three genes that they express. No more.)

 

Settings:

Blind genes

Don't unlock all genes

Default or longer lifespan recamended

 

Goal: 

Have all genes expressed in your tribe 

 

Good Luck!